Shapeoko 1 -> Shapeoko 3 upgrade

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fyaconiello
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Shapeoko 1 -> Shapeoko 3 upgrade

Post by fyaconiello » Fri Jun 02, 2017 8:18 pm

I have an old shapeoko 1 from several years ago (2012 according to my post history https://www.shapeoko.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=957) I had it working at one point with a sharpie mount for cnc drawing. I never purchased a spindle. It has old GRBL v3 and adruino boards, and nema 17s.

I never really took this project very far, and now that I have a house and garage I feel like I can finally give it the time it needed. BUT I'm horridly outdated. Can this forum recommend me an upgrade path forward?

1. The new integrated grbl/arduino board on the shapeoko3 looks awesome. Is this adaptable to my setup?
2. I have the shapeoko1 that had a single y axis motor instead of the dual motor setup
3. i like the idea of a E-Stop and some sort of enclosure for the electronics
4. A router/spindle and mount + whatever is needed to wire that into my existing system

Thanks in advance

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Re: Shapeoko 1 -> Shapeoko 3 upgrade

Post by jacob32123 » Sat Jun 03, 2017 3:25 pm

fyaconiello wrote:Can this forum recommend me an upgrade path forward?
AFAIK, there is no upgrade path forward without buying a new Shapeoko 3 kit. Carbide 3D doesn't sell parts or a mechanical kit for the S3, so there's no way to get the specialty parts (like the custom aluminum extrusions) without buying the full kit. That said, you can upgrade to a Shapeoko 2 (which used parts that could actually be purchased) by comparing BOM's and buying the needed additional parts (for example, metal spacers and a second X axis extrusion).
The new integrated grbl/arduino board on the shapeoko3 looks awesome. Is this adaptable to my setup?
They don't sell it individually, as the integrated board is also the license for the proprietary software that is used.

As an aside, ditching grbl (and the related arduino) and switching to machinekit on a BeagleBone may have been the best upgrade I ever made for my machine. No more serial drops or slow jittery movement when there are a lot of commands to be run in a short time. It also has so many features built in, it's crazy.

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Re: Shapeoko 1 -> Shapeoko 3 upgrade

Post by fyaconiello » Sat Jun 03, 2017 4:08 pm

They don't sell it individually, as the integrated board is also the license for the proprietary software that is used.
I could be remembering wrong, but i thought a lot of the excitement and one of the purposes of the shapeoko project in the beginning was making CNC more affordable and approachable by open sourcing the design and components. Its been years since i paid the project any attention, but proprietary software and hardware solutions seem like a step back =(

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Re: Shapeoko 1 -> Shapeoko 3 upgrade

Post by jacob32123 » Sat Jun 03, 2017 4:22 pm

fyaconiello wrote:I could be remembering wrong, but i thought a lot of the excitement and one of the purposes of the shapeoko project in the beginning was making CNC more affordable and approachable by open sourcing the design and components. Its been years since i paid the project any attention, but proprietary software and hardware solutions seem like a step back =(
You aren't remembering wrong, that was one of the original goals of the project. The S3 is still an open source machine (link to drawings). While some of the parts could be made on a Shapeoko (like the flat plates), other parts can't (like the aluminum extrusion). In the era of the Shapeoko 2, one could buy the MakerSlide and even the individual steel plates (or a mechanical kit). That isn't the case anymore, even though the machine is still "open source."

The electronics are a whole different story. I haven't seen any claims of those being open source. The software is completely proprietary (including the encrypted gcode it outputs).

FWIW, I'm still using my upgraded Shapeoko 2, and have been extremely happy with it.

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Re: Shapeoko 1 -> Shapeoko 3 upgrade

Post by WillAdams » Sat Jun 03, 2017 4:47 pm

An opensource version of the Carbide 3D (the actuality is a bit more complex, but that's a reasonable simplistic view) is available from Sparkfun: https://www.sparkfun.com/products/13899

They also have a mechanical kit.

The problem w/ an upgrade is the only parts in common are the V-wheels and bearings and maybe some bolts and nuts --- if there were an upgrade kit, you could rebuild your SO1 by buying a maintenance kit.

My suggestion would be to just upgrade the SO1 --- it's a great machine, and mine did all that I could ask of it (and I just gave it away to a friend of my daughter's who is going to use it to make jewelry)

Must do upgrades:

- metal spacers and longer / through bolts for the carriage
- double Makerslide X-axis
- dual motors or driveshaft

(each of those is documented on the wiki more-or-less)

With those upgrades, a Shapeoko 1 is an amazingly capable little thing for work w/in its work envelope.
Shapeoko 3XL #0006 w/ Carbide Compact Router w/0.125″ and ¼″ Carbide 3D precision collets
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Re: Shapeoko 1 -> Shapeoko 3 upgrade

Post by fyaconiello » Sun Jun 04, 2017 1:47 am

for the electronics, how is my setup, should i be looking at a new grbl shield/arduino setup, motors (im on 17s), power supply etc. What about the spindle, what mounts, spindle, etc is going to work best with this guy? how do i wire the spindle to the shapeoko electronics? or is that a separate system?

thanks again, ive been out of the game so long i just dont really know where to start.

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Re: Shapeoko 1 -> Shapeoko 3 upgrade

Post by WillAdams » Sun Jun 04, 2017 4:26 am

The original Arduino / grblshield is fine.

NEMA17s are okay as well on an SO1/2 --- one just can't move as quickly.

The spindle is manually controlled (two separate systems) unless you wire in a relay or VFD (see https://shapeoko.com/wiki/index.php/Spindle_Control on the wiki).

My suggestion would be to do the basic biggest bang for the buck upgrades, then see how you like running the machine --- if it's something you enjoy and you bump up against its limitations, then you can look into replacing it or further upgrades.

The other notable upgrade would be to replace the rotary tool spindle w/ something more capable --- I used a Harbor Freight 1/4" trim router for a while and it worked well. Replacing it w/ a Makita RT0701 was a nice upgrade

- https://shapeoko.com/wiki/index.php/Dou ... ide_X-Axis
- https://shapeoko.com/wiki/index.php/Drive_Shaft or https://shapeoko.com/wiki/index.php/Drive_Shaft
- https://shapeoko.com/wiki/index.php/Spindle_Options i.e., http://www.shapeoko.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=3658
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Re: Shapeoko 1 -> Shapeoko 3 upgrade

Post by Gadgetman! » Thu Jun 15, 2017 7:10 am

Toss the metal endplates, and make new ones out of thick aluminium.
https://shapeoko.com/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 120#p38950
That secures rigid ends, so stiffens up the machine a bit. It also allows you to change the X-axis of your machine more easily.

Get some extra Makerslides and double up the X-axis. you'll need a couple of spacers, washers, v-wheels and longer bolts, but well worth it.

Build a proper torsion box table to mount it on.

Replace the motor mounting plates with 5mm aluminium...
https://shapeoko.com/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 140#p52668

And before you know it, your machine can be just as awesome as mine...
Weird guy...
Shapeoko 2014F: 1000mm X/Y, 300W Quiet Cut spindle, Arduino Uno/G-shield and GRBL 0.9i
15x30 drag chains, custom spindle mount, 9mm belts, 8mm endplates, 6mm motor plates.

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