Shapeoko in Portugal

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Shapeoko in Portugal

Post by footswitch » Wed Jan 21, 2015 9:34 pm

Hi there,
Allow me to briefly introduce myself, I'm from Portugal and I'll be assembling an eShapeoko soon.

As you know or at least can imagine, every country has its own evolution/adoption rate for technology, particularly in the volatile, ever-changing DIY segment.
Our population here is arguably too small to provide for these niche-type markets.
This presents a challenge: Where do I get stuff from?
Hopefully this post will develop over time, into a list of suggestions for sourcing hardware and materials – from mechanical parts to stepper motors and electronics, from rotary tools / spindles / routers to bits/end mills, and finally where to get those raw materials/boards for milling.
Later on, we can update the wiki if that makes sense. [EDIT: link added] (http://www.shapeoko.com/wiki/index.php/Vendors)

Please avoid interpreting this as free publicity. This is help. It’s not easy to get started with Shapeoko in Portugal without ordering from Inventables, or North America for that matter (which comes with a lot of taxes, customs and shipping costs).
I’d like to know how I can donate to these two people for their great work:
- Edward Ford, for the original Shapeoko design (It’s his birthday? I can’t believe the coincidence!);
- Barton Dring, for the original MakerSlide design.
<Disclaimer>
Also please bear in mind, some if not several things I will list here, might have served only my personal needs.
Maybe they’re the result of a long search.
Maybe I haven’t even purchased or tested anything from a supplier listed here.
That’s where you come in – together we can narrow down some suppliers, and make this information available for everyone.

The following post will have the updated list.
Last edited by footswitch on Wed Jan 21, 2015 9:59 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: Shapeoko in Portugal

Post by footswitch » Wed Jan 21, 2015 9:36 pm

eShapeoko
eShapeoko is Catalin Voinescu's version of the Shapeoko. (Catalin is an active member of this Forum)
The e stands for Europe - his store is in the UK: http://amberspyglass.co.uk
From there you're able to order almost everything you'll need to assemble a full functioning machine - mechanical and electronic parts. Everything but the Waste Board (that comes from any hardware store near you) and the rotary tool / spindle (see below).
eShapeoko and the Shapeoko 2 aren't the same, but they're about evenly matched.


Aluminum frames
MISUMI - only companies can register and purchase from Misumi Europe (based in Germany).
With aluminum T-Slot frames you can build a working bed with clamping slots, or an enclosure for your machine.
In aluminum extrusion, T-Slot seems to be more common with a 6mm slot.


Clamping Tools
The first place to search for these should be a home improvement store, such as AKI, izi and the like.
When I start building my own MDF working table I'll make sure to update this section.
Some clamping tools for 8mm t-slot frame: http://www.sorotec.de/shop/CNC-Accessor ... -Clamping/


TODO: Tools for alignment
A few tools that one can use to properly align the machine. I have yet to spend some time on the wiki.
Ways to ensure proper alignment over time...?
Somewhere I've read (or maybe watched on youtube) about a digital level. Very precise, in the order of 0.01 degrees. Maybe it was an iGaging AngleCube.


Stepper Motors (NEMA17/NEMA23)
Always pay attention to all the specs. NEMA 17/23 aren't specific models: they're general standards for building these types of motors.
There's a brand named Nanotec, I don't know this brand, but they have a great range of products, and they're represented in Portugal by bibus.pt.
You can always order them with the eShapeoko.

Drag-chains can be a nice touch for the wiring
http://www.sorotec.de/shop/CNC-Mechanics/Drag-chains/


Power Supply
Mean Well has a lot of products series: NES, SE, LRS (low profile ~30mm), ERP, HLG (dust-proof fanless design, high efficiency, but expensive)...
I went with the ERP-350-36, a 36V 350W supply to take the most out of those steppers (you do need the appropriate motor drivers, adequate capacitors, etc.), got it for ~45 EUR + VAT. It seems pretty sturdy, we'll see how it behaves in the long run. The NES/LRS would also work, but those have a fan so they're intended for a cleaner workspace.
If you're looking for 24V power supplies, many LED strip vendors (LED lighting, electrical supplies for electricians...) have them for 24V LEDs. These tipically range from 60W to 300W.
http://www.caiado.pt and http://www.sapol.pt are just two good examples of electrical supply stores, but they're physical stores - you'd have to go there or at least call them on the phone.

Ask about four-wire shielded cable for the stepper motors, while you're at it ;)
I've seen many people call it LiYCY cable. Got it in 4x1mm for the stepper motors, and 2x0.75mm for the homing switches.
Unshielded cable will work, but it can cause electrical interference with other components. RGB cable (for LED strips) is 4-wire and works for short distances (avoid any longer than 1,5 meters because of the voltage-drop on such thin wires).
You can also try a few electronics stores (listed below).


Electronics (Arduino, stepper motor drivers...)
http://www.inmotion.pt
http://www.ptrobotics.com

General Electronics
http://www.clickplus.pt (old Sonigate)
http://www.centroelectronico.pt
http://www.mauser.pt
http://www.g7electronica.net


Rotary Tool / Spindle / Router
There are a lot of options, many people go with the 300W "Quiet Cut Spindle" that you can find in Inventables, and all over China (eBay, Aliexpress, and so on)
I will be purchasing a DeWalt DWP611 (Europe model D26200)*. Mounting it / fixing it in place will probably be a challenge since I don't have a lot of tools.
For a list of DeWalt dealers in Portugal, hopefully this link will work for you: http://www.dewalt.pt/dealers/
Personally I'm thinking of ordering from ToolStop (UK), it may be less expensive, even with shipping costs.
Do your research.
Either way, be sure of getting a 230-240V version, that's the mains power voltage in Portugal :) *Update* This router comes with an UK power plug, I had to cut it off and install a standard EU plug.
* Collets and Nuts for this router - got mine from FrezyCNC, see below.


End-mills
* PreciseBits (don't judge them by the looks of their website, quality is top-notch) are represented in Europe by FrezyCNC - this is where I got my collet kit and several endmills. They don't have the DeWalt DWP611 kits in stock, but they're able to order from the US supplier regularly.
* Discussion - http://www.shapeoko.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=3369 - cmcta82 is a Portuguese user and discusses this topic.
* http://www.sorotec.de/shop/index.php?language=en
* http://cnc-plus.de
* Drillman1 (on eBay) http://stores.ebay.com/carbideplus/ http://www.ebay.com/usr/drillman1
* http://www.precisionendmills.co.uk - never tried them out


Raw Materials for milling/machining
Google can be your friend. Sometimes the words need to be carefully chosen in order to get the best results.
In Portugal there's also this site, http://www.pai.pt (yellow pages), most industrial companies are registered here.

* FR1 boards (phenolic/paper) for PCB milling (single and double-sided) - FR4 (epoxy/fiberglass) should be avoided because it's harder on the endmills, and the resulting dust is bad for your health. However, FR1 seems very hard to find. So far I've ordered FR4 from this store at aliexpress.com - Your Cee - search for FR4 single side and FR4 double side
* Plywood - local hardware stores should be enough.
* Wood (solid) - if you have the appropriate tools, you may find firewood or pallets as good sources for soft pine woods (maybe not the best woods for machining).
** For all wood types, you can search for a local lumber yard, mill/carpenter shop... ask them, it won't hurt. You may also pay a visit to a wood factory (in portuguese serralharias [de madeira]), we have lots of small businesses that probably won't mind helping or pointing in the right direction.
* Foam - Polystyrene (PT-Poliestireno) - this is used in civil construction for heat isolation. If you want I can contact a company near mine, they fabricate this and sell it to a lot of distributors.
* Machining wax - http://www.trycut.co.uk - unconfirmed
* Plastic / HDPE - If you know someone that has a 3D printer, maybe they can shine a light on the subject.
** Plexicril (PVC) - no online store
* Engraving plastic sheets:
** https://cnc-plus.de/en/Materials---Accessories/ - ABS/Hot stamping foil
** http://www.maquinasecompanhia.com/fresa ... otular.php - they call this Trafolite
** http://www.sorotec.de/shop/Materials/En ... erial-1-5/
* Acrylic
** Plexicril (Acrylic, Polycarbonate, PVC) - no online store
** LUZACRIL
** http://www.maquinasecompanhia.com/laser ... gravar.php - 3.0-5.0mm, available in several colors, transparent and opaque
* Aluminum
** DIAMETRO - Leiria - Alloys 6061 and 6082-T651, thickness 15 and 25mm. Only sells in larger quantities, but you can PM me to get a smaller piece.
** G. LEAL - Maia, Sintra - Alloy 5083, machinability still untested - no online store, but it's possible to order via phone and e-mail. Normally you'll have to wire transfer the payment in advance.
** http://www.maquinasecompanhia.com/laser ... gravar.php - anodized for engraving, 0.5-2.0mm available in several colors
* Brass (PT-Latão) - from what's been reported, it has to be a special softer brass, with a small percentage of lead.
** http://www.maquinasecompanhia.com/fresa ... gravar.php - for engraving, 0.6-1.27mm


Sites/Vendors that I've read about and haven't had the time to visit:
http://www.toolstoday.com/
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Re: Shapeoko in Portugal

Post by cvoinescu » Wed Jan 21, 2015 9:44 pm

This is a very good idea. There's also a Wiki page about this, but it doesn't have a lot.

It should work the other way too: if you've had a particularly hard time finding an item, or are still looking for it, I may be able to find a supplier for it and add it to the store. My company doesn't have a purchasing department (I wish!), but I have good relationships with several suppliers, and they've been able to help me find products I was looking for, or to suggest useful alternatives.
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Re: Shapeoko in Portugal

Post by cmcta82 » Wed Jan 21, 2015 10:20 pm

Hi footswitch, im also from Portugal:), i also have an eshapeoko from Catalin:) very happy with it. I think its a great idea!!

From germany i buy my endmills from sorotec and CNC-Plus.de, very happy with it and a very good quality product

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Re: Shapeoko in Portugal

Post by footswitch » Wed Jan 21, 2015 10:34 pm

@cmcta82, I know you're here! I did a quick search before posting ;)
Just registered, so I wasn't yet allowed to send you a PM.
Hope we can come up with a good supplier list.
Thanks for your contribution!
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Re: Shapeoko in Portugal

Post by footswitch » Wed Jan 21, 2015 10:46 pm

@cvoinescu, that's just it; right after asking you for suggestions, I figured, why not try and make it a little easier for those to come!
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Re: Shapeoko in Portugal

Post by cmcta82 » Wed Jan 21, 2015 11:09 pm

I also know a few good eBay sellers for materials: acrilyc, PVC etc, for plywood i buy in Portugal, we have a great quality here for this kind of material.

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Re: Shapeoko in Portugal

Post by footswitch » Thu Jan 22, 2015 1:12 am

cmcta82 wrote:I also know a few good eBay sellers for materials: acrilyc, PVC etc, for plywood i buy in Portugal, we have a great quality here for this kind of material.
Feel free to share 8-)

I have just completed the first major edit of the listing.
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Re: Shapeoko in Portugal

Post by WillAdams » Thu Jan 22, 2015 2:16 am

Why not just directly edit the wiki?
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Re: Shapeoko in Portugal

Post by footswitch » Thu Jan 22, 2015 3:07 am

WillAdams wrote:Why not just directly edit the wiki?
The intention here is to get some attention from european users, specifically portuguese and maybe spanish as well.
My thought is that we should first exchange our ideas and knowledge, gather some data, filter it and finally compile it.
You can see that this list needs to be greatly improved before one could say it's of any use.
Either way I think it's a good thing to have the forum as a primary channel for discussion. More feedback than one would get from the wiki alone.
But that's just my view. Thanks for passing by ;)
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