Looks like the Shapeoko 2 has been discontinued

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Re: Looks like the Shapeoko 2 has been discontinued

Post by CastIrony » Tue Mar 03, 2015 7:12 pm

CalebPeters wrote:So… if I get the X-Carve Shapeoko 2 upgrade kit, what do I call it?

Hmm … X-Shapeoko… Shapeoko-X… Man, naming stuff is hard.
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Re: Looks like the Shapeoko 2 has been discontinued

Post by Gadgetman! » Tue Mar 03, 2015 7:43 pm

Looks like a nice machine, except for a couple of small niggles...

1. What did they smoke when they designed the drag-chain mounts, and where can I buy it?

2. 24V spindle? Why? Really, why?
The big problem with running at half the voltage is that you need to double the Amperage. This means beefier components in the speed control and thicker wires. Lots thicker wires... That you're supposed to feed through the drag-chain...

3. The plates doesn't look as if they're any thicker than before.
I'd like to see thicker endplates and preferably also the Y motor-mount plates.

Basically, it's a ShapeOko 2, but with some snazz added, and weird stuff, too...
I haven't studied the Z-axis so won't comment on that.
Can't say that there's much innovation in it, though.
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Re: Looks like the Shapeoko 2 has been discontinued

Post by ZachKaplan » Tue Mar 03, 2015 8:22 pm

1. The are holes that the drag chain mounts screw in to.

2. The reason the spindle is 24V is because then you only need 1 power supply to run both the spindle and the stepper motors. We got appropriately sized wires and designed a PCB for the power supply to make the hookup easier. You can plug the spindle in and choose "on / off" or digital control.

3. There are two primary improvements on the plates:
a. The location of the gantry is now mounted in the corner making it a bit stiffer. The result is the spindle is closer to the center of the gantry so their is less flex.
b. The motors can now be mounted flush (no stand offs) also there is better belt wrap as a result.
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Re: Looks like the Shapeoko 2 has been discontinued

Post by lordmundi » Tue Mar 03, 2015 8:27 pm

I really like what I've seen so far. It has all the hallmarks of a company that is listening. Fully open with a good license... backwards compatibility with SO2... a focus on being configurable so folks can buy just the upgrades and parts they care about or don't own already... It just looks like they've pulled off something pretty nice.

Something that is still missing from the solution is a reasonable way to hook up limit switches. Sure, switches and wire is one thing (although a nice place to mount it is a big bonus), but the g-shield falls horribly short when it comes to hooking them up. The noise issues are huge for so many people that you really need some circuitry to interface with these.

But kudos to inventables. I like what i've seen so far, and they've always treated me well as a customer.

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Re: Looks like the Shapeoko 2 has been discontinued

Post by bharbour » Tue Mar 03, 2015 8:34 pm

Does it use the same of different makerslide than the SO2?

How can I get access to the SO2 build instructions? I refer to that from time to time...never mind...found them.

Will Inventables still sell the SO2 size upgrade kit?

Tnx,
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Re: Looks like the Shapeoko 2 has been discontinued

Post by cvoinescu » Tue Mar 03, 2015 8:35 pm

I sort of like the new machine.

There are three custom aluminium profiles in it: the X carriage, the Z carriage (which includes one half of the spindle holder), and the other half of the spindle holder. All three have secondary operations, with some significant machining on two of them. These parts save some weight and make the assembly easier, but I doubt they are cheaper. I like the idea of the X carriage, and I wish I had the volume where it was economical to do something like that. The Z carriage I'm not very keen on, because it takes away the choice of spindle (of course, it's easy to replace the carriage with a simple plate and mount whatever you want). The Z motor mount plate is machined, which is a nice touch and simplifies assembly (but, again, probably does nothing for cost).

The way I see it, the most important consequence of all these changes is that, regardless of the open license, they made duplicating the machine much harder by switching to manufacturing methods with much higher upfront costs. Laser-cut metal plates are affordable even in small quantities; custom aluminium profiles are not.
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Re: Looks like the Shapeoko 2 has been discontinued

Post by CastIrony » Tue Mar 03, 2015 8:37 pm

I will say the configuration page is impressive. I always wished the Shapeoko 2 had that.
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Re: Looks like the Shapeoko 2 has been discontinued

Post by twforeman » Tue Mar 03, 2015 8:39 pm

bharbour wrote:Does it use the same of different makerslide than the SO2?

How can I get access to the SO2 build instructions? I refer to that from time to time.

Tnx,
Shapeoko2 build instructions are still at http://docs.shapeoko.com/

I'm not sure what the plans will be when the S3 comes out, but I imagine the S2 docs will stick around.
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Re: Looks like the Shapeoko 2 has been discontinued

Post by ZachKaplan » Tue Mar 03, 2015 8:54 pm

>>Does it use the same of different makerslide than the SO2?

The same size MakerSlide profile but the new ones come in black.

>>Will Inventables still sell the SO2 size upgrade kit?

Yes. It's the second option on the configurator.

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Re: Looks like the Shapeoko 2 has been discontinued

Post by bharbour » Tue Mar 03, 2015 9:05 pm

Thanks!!!
ZachKaplan wrote:>>Does it use the same of different makerslide than the SO2?

The same size MakerSlide profile but the new ones come in black.

>>Will Inventables still sell the SO2 size upgrade kit?

Yes. It's the second option on the configurator.
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