Vote for your favorite Shapeoko 3 spindle solution

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What tool will you mount on your SO3 (and how will you mount and control it)?

Bosch Colt PR-20 w/ stock mount
0
No votes
Dewalt DWP-611 (or D26200) w/ stock mount
20
54%
Dewalt DWP-611 (or D26200) w/ stock mount and SuperPID
11
30%
Porter Cable 450 w/ stock mount
0
No votes
Porter Cable 450 w/ stock mount and SuperPID
0
No votes
Makita RT-0700/0701 w/ stock mount and adapter
0
No votes
Makita RT-0701/0701 w/ custom mount
1
3%
Kress spindle w/ custom mount
3
8%
Other spindle (specify)
1
3%
Other (specify)
1
3%
 
Total votes: 37

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Vote for your favorite Shapeoko 3 spindle solution

Post by WillAdams » Fri Apr 10, 2015 2:40 pm

Decided that it was probably for the best to have a new poll for the SO3. (Old poll for the SO1/2: http://www.shapeoko.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=258 )

If using an equivalent please mention that in the comments.

Also curious as to whether or no people will be drilling and tapping the mount to match the hole pattern used on other available mounts, or to some other pattern --- is there some hole spacing which would make especial sense?
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Re: Vote for your favorite Shapeoko 3 spindle solution

Post by CastIrony » Fri Apr 10, 2015 4:55 pm

Wow, Super-PID is more popular than I was expecting.
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Re: Vote for your favorite Shapeoko 3 spindle solution

Post by Hans » Fri Apr 10, 2015 5:47 pm

I don't find the popularity of Super-PID all that surprising, especially with the higher price of the new machine. I think the biggest appeal in feedback control like Super-PID is being able to run the spindle real slow. Running 6k RPM instead of 16k allows you to take a much deeper cut in aluminum with the same chipload and cut force. You get improved tool life and surface finish because of deeper tool engagement, and probably less heat and built-up edge because of the lower surface speed. Surface finish in some materials is really finicky, and RPM control could take a lot of the pain out of optimizing your cut. If you can run the spindle slower it probably gets a lot quieter, too. That's a big deal for a lot of Shapeoko-ers, myself included.

Meanwhile, I don't have a S3 on order so I'll just hang out in here living vicariously.
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Re: Vote for your favorite Shapeoko 3 spindle solution

Post by samc99us » Thu Apr 23, 2015 7:10 pm

I don't really buy the SuperPID practicality. The tool is still designed to spin north of 15K RPM, slowing it down doesn't help it at all. Not saying the cuts aren't better, but the tool still isn't designed for the job. Further, the bearings and robustness of the Dewalt 611 over time aren't exactly great, compared with a real spindle. Finally, the cost isn't fantastic. A Dewalt DNP611 is $130, 1/4" + 1/8" PreciseBits Collets are basically $100, and the SuperPID is $155. That totals $385.

For less money ($349), you can get a water cooled 1.5kw spindle+VFD that runs on 110VAC from an American company: http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.co ... ed-spindle

For a bit more, you can get an air cooled 1.5KW spindle+VFD that runs on 220V AC: http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.co ... -1-5kw-vfd

I think 1.5KW is a bit overrated and 800 watts or 0.8KW spindles are the preferred choice in this router size range. You can pair a water cooled 0.8KW spindle, http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.co ... ng-spindle with this 110VAC VFD http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.co ... 0vac-input for $320.

Personally, this is what I think I'll be buying when my Dewalt DNP611 craps out: http://ugracnc.com/AIR-COOLED-SPINDLES/ ... 0-V-R.html
Combined with this VFD: http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.co ... 0vac-input

That gets you a pretty nice AIR COOLED (no plumbing!!) 0.8KW spindle with a bit more power than the DNP611, for $510.00. Sounds steep, but read the reviews. One guy spent $400+ on DNP611's and Bosh Colt router heads before switching. Spend the extra $100 and buy a spindle.
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Re: Vote for your favorite Shapeoko 3 spindle solution

Post by WillAdams » Thu Apr 23, 2015 9:47 pm

What’s the best option for a 110V spindle?

I usually haul my machine onto the back deck to cut Ipé, and hate to think what a 220V extension cord would cost.
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Re: Vote for your favorite Shapeoko 3 spindle solution

Post by Jimf » Fri Apr 24, 2015 3:32 am

Back a couple of years ago I looked into getting a SuperPID for a Porter Cable 690 router that is single speed. The 690 is a workhorse that I've used in my woodshop for about 15 years now. It is one of several routers I have and it never let me down but it is screaming loud. After looking at the options available I thought it was better spent buying a 2.2kw water cooled spindle and VFD for $350 instead for my 8020 extrusion CNC I made. It was probably one of the best investments I made for my CNC. I went water cooled since I knew I'll be running the CNC hours at a time doing 3D carving. The spindle works like it did since day 1 and haven't had any problems with it. Plenty of power too to cut full depth 3/4" sheet goods at 100ipm or more. I'm considering getting a air cooled lower power 110volt spindle for a bigger CNC I am building now. The new CNC will be located in my woodshop that does not have 220volt power and I really don't want to pull cable from the fuse box for 220. My options are limited running 110volts but I think a 110volt spindle will still be much better than a router/SuperPID combination.

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Re: Vote for your favorite Shapeoko 3 spindle solution

Post by samc99us » Fri Apr 24, 2015 2:04 pm

I personally think the UgraCNC 0.8KW Spindle w/ Automation Technologies 110V VFD is the best solution for a stock Shapeoko 3. The water cooled 1.5KW Automation Technologies spindle solution is probably great for bigger machines that are stationary. Note, I am only recommending American companies vs. Chinese, as you're far more likely to have warranty support and the shipping doesn't really make the Chinese options as cost effective as one might think.

Maybe there are others that I haven't found, ELTE has some interesting options, http://www.fps-spindles.com/wws.html, but no prices.
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Re: Vote for your favorite Shapeoko 3 spindle solution

Post by WillAdams » Fri Apr 24, 2015 2:21 pm

Thanks, looks like it's between that and a Kress (when I decide to replace my Makita --- though I'll admit I'm tempted by the idea of replacing it w/ an MLCS Rocky 30 just to colour-coordinate).
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Vote for your favorite Shapeoko 3 spindle solution

Post by BellyUpFish » Sat Apr 25, 2015 7:34 pm

WillAdams wrote:
I usually haul my machine onto the back deck to cut Ipé, and hate to think what a 220V extension cord would cost.
I think I have around $125ish in my 220v extension cord.

Not bad compared to buying a "ready made" solution.

A 10/3 50ft. extension cord from a big box store, a NEMA 6-50P plug and NEMA 6-50R receptacles or whatever plugs work for your set up and you're golden.

Made mine several years ago for my welder and use it all the time.

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Re: Vote for your favorite Shapeoko 3 spindle solution

Post by TomO » Sun May 03, 2015 6:32 pm

Has anyone considered a pneumatic spindle on a shapeoko? I started thinking about this when I bought a pneumatic angle grinder earlier. Any pros? Any cons other than needing an air compressor?


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