Thoughts on bootstrapping a Shapeoko XL

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Thoughts on bootstrapping a Shapeoko XL

Post by WillAdams » Tue Aug 16, 2016 5:01 pm

Okay, finally got my XL upgrade, and trying to work out how best to manage the upgrade / assembly / usage. Mostly this is thinking out loud type stuff, trying to work things out before I make my next hardware store run....

First issue is the assembly space --- don't really have any empty areas suitable (probably I should get rid of the Shapeoko 1) --- so I was thinking I'd just get a suitably-sized hollow core door and use that as a base beneath the machine

Second, need to resolve dust collection --- the inexpensive vacuum I've been using overheats on long runs, so was thinking I'd want to get a pair of Home Depot 5 gallon buckets, one of the bucket head shop vacs and appropriate PVC fittings to make a simple cyclone.

Third, really think I should go for the aluminum extrusion wasteboard bed option in some fashion --- did at least spray my MDF wasteboard w/ UV resistant Spar Urethane this time.

Lastly, I realize I should've gotten male Molex KK connectors so as to be able to do expansion cables for the probe &c. --- guess I need to make another Digikey order....
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Re: Thoughts on bootstrapping a Shapeoko XL

Post by madhatter » Tue Aug 16, 2016 8:25 pm

I am getting close to assembling my XXL and I am seriously considering getting this extruded aluminum T-slot bed.

It is low profile, so I could probably substitute two of them for the stock spoilboard. I bought 10 of the INCRA hold downs, and I already ripped out one threaded insert, and I'd like to not have to worry about that in the future.

I called INCRA and asked about getting a discount on the hold down clamps because I didn't want the 1/4-20 bolts and big knobs because I plan on using socket head cap screws. They dropped the price a couple of bucks each, so that was nice.

The only thing holding me back is the price of the extrusions. . . They are ~$300.00 each for (oh man, I 'm pretty sure I quoted the price for) 48" long pieces. So, around $600.00 plus shipping, which I didn't ask.

I looked into putting together something with 80/20 extrusions, but the best I can come up with for outfitting the XXL (I am trying to cover an area ~44" x 44" ) is $400-$600 no matter what I try to get together unless I only want channels every 3 inches. I do a lot of small stuff with thin edge margin for clamping, so for me I really need the tracks to be no more than 2" apart.

EDIT: The 80/20 extrusion I was considering is this one, 3034-Lite. For 16 pieces at 48" per piece, the total before tax and shipping is $484.64. I haven't gone through the checkout process to find out how much shipping would be though.
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Re: Thoughts on bootstrapping a Shapeoko XL

Post by WillAdams » Wed Aug 17, 2016 2:25 pm

I would love to do a metal work area, and think the two which you linked are singularly fitting (and added them to the wiki), but they're out of my price range, and I need to keep my machine man portable.

I'm currently thinking I'll do an arrangement of aluminum T-track (planning on buying it locally at Woodcraft to avoid shipping). I want to make the cutting simple, as well as the assembly / arrangement and was thinking strips of some standard building material.

Or, maybe instead, just MDF like to this: http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1245968
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Re: Thoughts on bootstrapping a Shapeoko XL

Post by WillAdams » Wed Aug 17, 2016 4:49 pm

Or, I keep coming back to Woodpeckers Super T Track:

http://www.woodpeck.com/supertrack.html

3 48" lengths cut into suitable lengths ought to outfit an XL pretty affordably (can usually be bought locally at a Woodcraft --- if you schedule the purchase for your birthday month you can sign up for their mailing list and may be able to get 10% off)
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Re: Thoughts on bootstrapping a Shapeoko XL

Post by WillAdams » Sat Aug 20, 2016 4:55 pm

Went w/ the Woodpeckers 1/4" T-track --- 3 lengths, arguably should've gotten 6 24" lengths. EDIT: Turns out I need 7 24" lengths.

Also got http://www.woodcraft.com/product/152976 ... -x-48.aspx as a surface to build on.

Considering http://www.homedepot.com/p/Veranda-3-4- ... /100275037
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Veranda-3-4- ... /100265384
http://www.homedepot.com/p/AZEK-Trim-3- ... /202657359
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Veranda-3-4- ... /100290245

as a spoilboard surface betwixt the extrusions.
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Re: Thoughts on bootstrapping a Shapeoko XL

Post by RobCee » Sun Aug 21, 2016 12:22 pm

That looks like a good compromise, Will. The flexibility of a T-Track is extremely useful and your solution seems sensibly priced.
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Re: Thoughts on bootstrapping a Shapeoko XL

Post by WillAdams » Sun Aug 21, 2016 5:54 pm

Yeah, was considering some bizarre arrangement but 7 lengths w/ the 3 1/2 or 7 1/2 in a centered arrangement seems workable.

Almost done tidying up from vacation next up is my workbench and tools.

Then I should be able to start.
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Re: Thoughts on bootstrapping a Shapeoko XL

Post by CrazyBillybob » Fri Sep 02, 2016 3:15 pm

I stumbled onto this thread. I did find http://us.misumi-ec.com/vona2/detail/11 ... 70/?Inch=0 part # HFS5-2080-1300 . Each 20-80mm section is 1300mm long (a little over 51") they are $27.17us ea (so 16 puts it at $434.72) but there is shipping that is not added here. Guess it's about $50 cheaper than 80x20 but still not cheap. You can almost get a solid ground aluminum plate that size for the similar price. You would have to drill and tap holes in a solid plate...but that is another discussion.

(disclaimer I don't work for or with misumi. I have just ordered from them in the past and had good luck and sometimes their prices can be better that some other places... So I thought I'd share)
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Re: Thoughts on bootstrapping a Shapeoko XL

Post by WillAdams » Fri Sep 02, 2016 3:52 pm

Yeah, the extrusion gets expensive quickly.

I've decided to instead cut things down to 16" lengths --- it'll be a bit lighter, and I'll use what I cut, and have a useful ~32" length left over when I'm done (or more likely a pair of 16"s)

Pretty much have my machine back together, just wiring stuff up now and making decisions about the limit switches and spindle mount --- for now I'm using the original mount and plate --- kind of kicking myself for not using the original as a template for drilling the new one. I've been thinking I could use a couple of M5 insertion nuts instead of PEM nuts for that (guess I should make a separate thread on that).

Hopefully I'll get it finished and back to cutting over the long weekend.
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